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welcome welcome to my awesome Friday

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evening your listen to me Heidi Hollis

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the Outlander welcome to the show

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everybody you guys are in for some fun

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tonight first I'm going to tell you what

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this show is about in general this show

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is about bringing outlandish and

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interesting topics to the forefront from

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aliens angels ghosts demons holy

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encounter shadow people to Bigfoot to

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the outlandish always say if it's weird

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we're here and now you are too so you're

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just like me if you don't know who I am

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when it comes to the outlandish

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personally I'm someone who has been

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there seen that experienced it freaked

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out found some answers wrote about it

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got over it and now I'm hoping to help

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others do the same thing and understand

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this freakish world of ours I welcome

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you to come visit my main website which

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is Heidi Hollis calm there are things

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there I swear I swear when I say this my

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parents don't even know all the stuff

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that's on there you'll find out you tube

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Twitter Facebook all that good stuff and

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you know this network is so fantastic we

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have our own irn app inception radio

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network app most of the people I know

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you guys listen to us through the app

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but I got to tell you we've got a big

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audience from I heart iTunes so many

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other avenues it's it's getting close

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out there but very few you listen to us

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live for some reason hopefully at one

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point that'll change cuz then I could

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get more phone calls from you but I

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don't mind I'm not gonna complain

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because I always have a good time on

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this show no matter what and this is a

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fun way that you can hear this program

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just howling a number seven one two

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seven seven zero eight eight eight eight

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my parents do it they just put the

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speakerphone on and well ah it's it's

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very easy and you could call it to this

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show at any point one eight eight eight

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nine one nine 23 55 or go to Skype and

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find inception radio network and MJ will

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forward all your comments and questions

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to me but the one that I'm always

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actively in

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doing is during the show come in the

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chat room that is I are in chat calm so

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I will take your questions as they're

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coming live I always have fun doing that

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and you know what I have been getting

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more to your comments and questions and

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emails with the outlandish corner but

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sometimes sometimes there are some

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guests that I have to forego doing that

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first 30 minute segment but I still want

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to welcome you guys to write me about

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anything and everything out of the

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ordinary that you're experiencing to

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Outlander at gmail.com or through my

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main website which is Heidi Hollis calm

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and you know I'm not a psychic I'm not a

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guru I am a Christian lady has just been

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writing these books having dealt with a

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lot of odd things myself and you know

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just just trying to help each other get

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through this stuff and it can be done

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and you know what you guys are in for

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such a huge surprise because I think

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that I've got my brother from another

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mother coming on tonight and I'm gonna

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introduce him officially right now Gary

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Bates he is an Australian who now heads

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up the u.s. office of creation

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ministries international as its CEO he's

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authored or co-authored six books on the

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issues of origins but is best known for

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his book called alien intrusion UFOs and

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the evolution connection which went on

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sale on Amazon and it hit the top 50

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bestseller lists in fact he's been

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interviewed and he's been all over the

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place being interviewed I have to say

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and you know I have to tell people he's

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got a movie coming out called

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alien intrusion unmasking the deception

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that's gonna premiere for one night and

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over 730 theaters across the u.s. and

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it's going to be phenomenal so you guys

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got to go to alien intrusion com but

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first and that's going to be a January

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11th by the way so check your local

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listings for

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alien intrusion the movie I'm going to

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go look for it everybody give a round of

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applause to Gary

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Bates whoa all right here that was a big

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ol liked audience I know you didn't see

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it but they were really there it's good

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it was better than throwing peanuts at

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me anyway so so where are you hailing

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from right now where are you at I'm in

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the deep south Atlanta Georgia

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which is the US office for creation

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ministries international I often joke

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that's why I have this deep southern

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accent you know yeah yeah I was

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fortunate enough to live in Australia

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and Melbourne for a bit and I always

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describe to people it's like a British

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it's a lovely accent well you must have

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been back here for because you said Mel

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instead of Melbourne no I only was I was

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a visiting person trying to become how

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could I say become a citizen over there

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I loved it oh my gosh but you know I I'm

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just amazed at what you've been able to

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accomplish and I think you'll be

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pleasantly surprised that and we're very

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on my show in particular talk about

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Jesus all the time I've written books on

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aliens and all the above in the conflict

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and the deception that is going on with

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a lot of these beings that are out there

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and what they're doing to people and how

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it's quite demonic so when you popped up

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I'm like are you kidding me like this is

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so we have got a lot to talk about so I

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have got to hear your background like

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let's start from the beginning what got

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you involved in looking into such odd

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topics well I I grew up a

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science-fiction fan and a pretty hard

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evolutionist and when I became a

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Christian obviously you challenge or

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things change and in particular your

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worldview changes I think a lot of

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people you know when they have a change

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of faith or from no faith to faith they

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you may well try to incorporate the

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things they've learned of the world into

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might have to have a different way of

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looking at the world and so the issue of

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origins evolution was a big one growing

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up a science nerd and a science buff I

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was heavily influenced by so by science

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fiction I'd always believed that you

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know aliens must exist it's a question

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we we see we hear about you know you see

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the footage you see the the photos you

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watch the movies you read the books and

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I have to say I had a moment and this is

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actually before I became a Christian but

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I read a book out you probably know it

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the Roswell incident by Charles Moore at

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Law Berlitz William Moore yeah and you

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know in that they had this alleged

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smoking gun piece of evidence which was

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Harry Truman's signature on the creation

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of mj-12 and I kind of put that book

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down said to my wife that's it you know

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aliens are real the government's been

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lying to us and so then when I became a

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Christian I wanted to revisit all of

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this and dealing with a ministry that

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deals with the issue of origins and by

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the way can I just say creation

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we've got off seven offices around the

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world and to the best of my knowledge I

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think we employ more scientists more

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PhDs than any Christian ministry in the

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world so we we are very heavily

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science-based and one day I realizing

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the effect that science fiction had on

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me and another big landmark was the

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie

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I wished I was Richard Dreyfuss getting

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taken up in the spaceship and I thought

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you know science fiction is so huge I

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did some research and at the time around

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about 90% of the highest-grossing movies

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of all time with sci-fi Star Trek The

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Next Generation is the most syndicated

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TV show or was at that time yeah and I

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thought what a great way for me

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personally you know one of the share my

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newfound faith for what a great way to

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lead people to discuss these issues

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particularly Christianity and theology

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and ponder those big questions in life

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like you know where do we come from why

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we're here what happens to us when we

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die so I started to research revisit

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everything I believed about UFOs and I

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and I heavily invested in it I read tons

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of books went to UFO conferences and as

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you know or as anybody who's actually

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seriously researched it and I'm probably

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gonna say that weird a few times highly

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because everybody everybody has an

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opinion on this and they are always

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quick to tell you your opinion and I rub

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shoulders in with guys in MUFON and in

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UFO circles and I actually find we're in

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agreement about a whole whole bunch of

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stuff and like you the serious

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researcher understands that the

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phenomenon is very deceptive very

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damaging to people so when I first

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started to discover that and I started

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to meet people who claimed they'd been

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abducted and the traumatic experiences I

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helped they had obviously it was very

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confronting for me because it wasn't the

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Hollywood version I'd got from Close

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Encounters and the Roswell incident and

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all of these types of stuff yeah so so

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that's really my story and it led to the

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book and you know I'm obviously very one

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of few Christians I'm certainly one of

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might be the only creationist who

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probably deals with it but I really

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tried to be fair and honest with the

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book people have read it said it doesn't

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read like a Christian book because we

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tried to do with the facts and the

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evidence as it lays and in fact being an

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Amazon top 50 bestseller more

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non-christians have actually rather than

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Christians and and people have found it

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pretty satisfying and given them answers

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wow that's that's nice to hear because I

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do find that more and more people are

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opening up to the possibilities and lo

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and behold you know the government has

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been flapping their gums a wee bit

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anyways on the topic so that that's been

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kind of inviting so you you have this

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whole encompassing background that

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really got you to where you are today

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and you know I don't know about you but

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it's like when you when you come forward

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and you say I believe aliens exist and

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I'm a Christian and this and that and I

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think these other things are going on

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too for some reason people would always

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think like I was highly like we're

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these things confusing to me did it and

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did it cross the wires in my head and

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for me I'm like no things seems pretty

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crystal clear for me so I don't know how

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do you feel about that well I I'm not

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sure whether you believe aliens exist I

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just doesn't put people off going to see

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I suppose aliens or extraterrestrials is

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all how you defined it but in the in the

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in the idea that there are beings that

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live on other planets and travel here

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and there faster than light spaceships I

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am certainly not a subscriber to that

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view and I think that any serious

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research are looking at the evidence and

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you know in the movie we've got you know

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John Mackin and Budd Hopkins who

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certainly don't come at it from a

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Christian perspective but they all agree

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that it's deceptive they hide their true

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intent and they would say yes they're

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not coming here from a planet far far

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away they the main view today and by the

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way we just went to South Korea to

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interview a guy called Joe Jordan who's

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interviewed and met over 400 people

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who've claimed these types of

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experiences and he pretty much says that

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you know in the time I've known him

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which is 20 years that really the movers

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and shakers in MUFON and other places

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they don't subscribe to the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis anymore but

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they mainly subscribe to the

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interdimensional hypothesis twice so I

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would say that myself and my secular

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colleagues in this area we would agree

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about the nature of the phenomenon

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although we might disagree about its

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origins and it's it's you know as I said

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that the most polarizing people you know

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when they hear you're a Christian or you

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might say aliens don't exist they are

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the current kind of the garden-variety

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you know Benchwarmers who have an

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opinion but the real researchers who get

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into it you know we're quite happy to

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work together and rub shoulders because

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we all know it's mysterious and you know

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you mentioned the government and when

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you think about it since Kenneth Errol

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saw those flying discs that he called

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you know sources skipping across the sky

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in 1947 we've kind of got eight years

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worth of data

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the government's investigated it under

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project sign and grudge and blue book

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and the Condon report and then just may

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what providential timing with with Lewis

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Elizondo releasing that f-18 Navy foot

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if maybe footage weeks ago and the

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government saying since 2012 2007 2012

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they've been investigating aerial

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phenomena so clearly the government

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knows something's there and generally

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will people say well they must know what

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it is but actually I don't think they

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have a clue what it is because if it is

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supernatural or interdimensional how do

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you test such things and so yeah there's

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something going on but most people would

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believe that these days are I think that

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it's it's interdimensional and in nature

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and as a Christian I would just use the

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word supernatural spiritual and by the

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way it was Jack Jacques Vallee who

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coined that term wasn't it you know a

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collaborator in Spielberg's Close

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Encounters of the of the Third Kind so

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the term you know I I have to you know

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talking about that release of that the

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slight disclosure in regardless Pentagon

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investigating you know I was a bit had

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mixed emotions I was a bit peeved like

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you know I gave it a two finger clap I'm

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like oh oh you admit a little 20 to a

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million dollar budget for a few years

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like you know that's what you were all

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up to over the years I mean I have met

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hundreds if not thousands and spoken to

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millions in regards to their experiences

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regarding these beings and the suffering

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that they have all endured individually

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and people have lost families their

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lives their livelihood they've killed

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themselves they've they've gone you know

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an insane and isolated themselves and

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and they're gonna you know Harry Reid

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it's just gonna you know oh this is my

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little pet project no dude you deceive

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the American public you you call this

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crazy

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since when is abduction of anyone okay

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you have thousands of people stepping

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forward saying I have been abducted I've

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been violated and experimented on and

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we've these people have been ridiculed

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thank god I've never been abducted but

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been ridiculed for claiming such a thing

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and hospitalized I am NOT that impressed

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with their little release

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well let's interest you I'd love to

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unpack this with you and get your

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thoughts too because you know having

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researched this for a long long time the

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government's always been very silent you

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know and when Mexico gets one of those

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sightings the Air Force releases the

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foot it releases the footage and says

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they say we don't know what it is

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they've always been very honest but of

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course the US government's always said

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you know we can neither confirm or deny

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or we don't think it's any threat to the

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nation

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you know 1952 you had the Washington

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UFOs we feature that in fact in the

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movie because we've got one of the radar

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operators from that event and he gives

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these stories and he actually turns

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around he says I've been trying to tell

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people this for 60 years he said you're

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the first guys that want to listen to me

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we have General John Sanford who was at

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a press release it resulted in the

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biggest press conference since World War

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two and all he could say as opposes no

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threat you know to the nation with

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everyone wants to know what is it what

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is it what is it but as I said I don't

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think they know so in this particular

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case I was I going to be honest I you

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say you had mixed emotions that's how

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was it them for a while and then as I

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kind of processed it and I've got to

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qualify this I am NOT a conspiracy

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theorist you know dealing with the

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scientific organization I often think

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the answers are much simpler than going

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to all sorts of a you know

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extrapolations and unwarranted

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speculation but I was reeling when I

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thought about it because Louis Elizondo

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headed the project Harry Reid defended

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it and I thought you said it I thought

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you know how is this information got out

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because when I left school I actually

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did all of Australia SH my high school

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in in England and I ended up joining the

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police force and and I had to sign even

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though I was in training I had to sign a

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document called you know the Official

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Secrets Act of her majesty's government

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and I'm still bound today it could be

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thrown in prison if I was ever to

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release anything confidential that I

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learned fortunately I never learned

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anything confidential so that's okay

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but you can't tell me that high-ranking

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officials in the government can suddenly

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leave their posts and freely release

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information and footage from the air

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force this is a soft release absolutely

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and the reason I'm reeling from it is I

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I do think for the first time I've been

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saying for many years that because the

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government doesn't know what it's

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dealing with we could be getting ready

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for a time where the government turns

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around and says well we think where did

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we think we've been dealing with

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something extraterrestrial and that is

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going to cause a massive paradigm shift

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because when I wrote my book I've got a

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quote in there that's about 25 years old

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where the government said we would never

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release that type of information because

447
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it would be so shocking it would likely

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cause havoc and panic across the country

449
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well I don't I don't think people would

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even bat an eyelid anymore if you said

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hey the aliens have been visiting us and

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we we found about it and they'd be like

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yes if we told you so the government's

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been hiding at all this time so I do

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actually think we're on the verge of

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disclosure I think around the verge of

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it but you know what this is this is so

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entertaining to me because for years you

459
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know I'd ask the question to people so

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why do you think the government won't

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tell us oh the panic now that that guy

462
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came on Elizondo Lewis Lewis came on and

463
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he was talking about how he headed that

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project for the Pentagon and he said

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well the conclusion is we are not alone

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I'm like he admitted it right there

467
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that's a government and I turn to people

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here on the street so what did you think

469
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of the big announcement it's like what

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do you mean like aliens they're real the

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government admitted to it just like that

472
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yeah he said it was on CNN and he said

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we are not alone and I was like wow he

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said it right there I was like in in the

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people you know they're just like oh

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yeah that was cool when they put their

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their headphones back on it's like you

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know where's the big panic you know

479
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where's this big you know whoop-dee-doo

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that they said what's gonna happen I was

481
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stunned with that and I was stunned that

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he actually said those words on on CNN

483
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yeah definitely so it it's like okay you

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guys said something there is no way that

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man

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be sitting there talking this way and

487
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still be alive unless it was okayed to

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be done like you are saying so yeah

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absolutely that's absolutely great

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a few years ago I kind of said that I

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think it wouldn't surprise me someday if

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the government said that about four

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years ago wrote an article for our

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website creation.com which is a pretty

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difficult one remember that it was

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called prepare ye the way the aliens are

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coming and I cited all these examples

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over the world like the United Nations

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preparing an EXO ambassador for when the

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aliens arrive it's just become so much

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of our culture in the UK a school had

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put a crashed flying saucer in in the

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football pitch at the school a soccer

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pitch to my American friends and they

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did a crash tests drill in other words

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you know what should the children

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actually do it was like almost you know

508
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one of those nuclear warning tests or

509
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exercises that the kids used to go

510
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through here and they made the go

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through it there was a about a dozen

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examples where you could almost see the

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population getting ready for this type

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of stuff but you know you mentioned that

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you mentioned the seriousness of

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abductions and obviously we're going to

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talk about that but but not only that

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you know John keel wrote and I quoted

519
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him in my book that he saw serious UFO

520
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researchers kind of going off the deep

521
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end because they're taken in by the

522
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strangeness of it all and I actually

523
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think Heidi you know we've started a

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Facebook page for our movie alien

525
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intrusion people can go to that and a

526
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lot of people you know come in and

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comments that religions got nothing to

528
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do with this you know exactly and you

529
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know when you look at one the comments

530
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from the entities themselves well

531
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religion is very much a part of it but

532
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yeah I gotta say this too real quickly I

533
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swear I was one of the first ones out

534
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there because I wrote a book in 97

535
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called the secret war and I was the

536
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first one to say if they're just aliens

537
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why would you say the name of Jesus they

538
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leave like why does that work then and

539
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and I

540
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known hundreds of people to implement

541
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that and they all thought I was nuts in

542
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:22,120
the beginning I'm like look it works try

543
00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:22,330
it

544
00:22:26,399 --> 00:22:24,789
and I've heard a lot of success I'm

545
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,409
sorry sorry to cut you off but it you're

546
00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:27,760
talking about the religion I'm like

547
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:31,150
gotta say it well exactly I mean I think

548
00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:33,190
I think you've just made the point there

549
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:35,590
I mean we in the movie we have a load of

550
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:38,169
testimonies with people who former

551
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:41,830
abductees and how they put a stop to it

552
00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:43,450
and again if that comment comes through

553
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,100
that what does religion got to do with

554
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,480
it it tells me their game that they've

555
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:49,740
never seriously researched the subject

556
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:52,030
but here's the point I really wanted to

557
00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:54,580
make talking about research is going off

558
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,429
the deep end you see if if naturalism is

559
00:23:01,770 --> 00:23:00,159
all there is if you know we are you and

560
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:01,780
I just rearranged pond-scum

561
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:03,250
where the result of a giant cosmic

562
00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:05,590
accident there's no meaning of purpose

563
00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:07,270
to our life and when we die there's

564
00:23:12,419 --> 00:23:10,120
nothing so here's the issue see ever

565
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,429
straight out evolution naturalistic

566
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,280
atheistic materialistic evolution with

567
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:17,760
with no divine intervention whatsoever

568
00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:21,039
cannot actually account for a spiritual

569
00:23:23,789 --> 00:23:21,580
realm

570
00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:23,799
you know Sagan said you know matter is

571
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:26,350
all there is ever was or ever will be

572
00:23:31,529 --> 00:23:29,740
and so if this is interdimensional the

573
00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:31,539
reason these guys go off the deep end is

574
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:33,580
because you can't test it you can't

575
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,600
measure it you can't weigh it and and to

576
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:39,700
me whether it's Christianity in fact all

577
00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:41,850
the great religions of the world all

578
00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:44,020
understood that there was a spiritual

579
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:47,260
realm to our existence and you know if I

580
00:23:52,529 --> 00:23:49,510
was talking about for example how the

581
00:23:55,169 --> 00:23:52,539
Bible describes them angels the cultural

582
00:23:57,690 --> 00:23:55,179
view of angels are these ethereal spirit

583
00:23:59,850 --> 00:23:57,700
beings with fairy wings you know as well

584
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:59,860
as I do Heidi never once in the Bible

585
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:01,330
are they ever recorded like that not

586
00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:04,090
once they are they appear physically

587
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:05,980
they sit down and they eat with people

588
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:09,070
they affect our nature our environment

589
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:10,690
you know the conjurer's in pharaoh's

590
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:13,870
court rebel at manifest matter out of

591
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:15,970
out of a stick turned it into a snake

592
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:19,000
they kill people and if I was a secular

593
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,010
UFO research but I just didn't mention

594
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:23,200
the Bible he'd be going check check

595
00:24:26,669 --> 00:24:23,880
check

596
00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:26,679
okay because that's everything that

597
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:28,460
happens in the UFO

598
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:31,730
isn't it it is it is it's it's

599
00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:34,610
interesting to now I don't know how much

600
00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:37,040
you keep your ear to the ground of the

601
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,590
people that are experiencing alien

602
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:42,080
contact like the abductions and contact

603
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:44,570
in general but I know that my emails

604
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:48,230
changed from just hordes of alien

605
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:49,610
abduction this isn't that and then

606
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:52,940
that's just like dropped off and it

607
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:55,070
became like well I put out two

608
00:25:00,220 --> 00:24:56,840
phenomenons shadow people hat man and it

609
00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:00,230
all changed to demonic though they may

610
00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:03,140
see an alien near what was happening

611
00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:05,540
including shadow beings or whatnot but

612
00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:08,030
it all became very demonic and I felt

613
00:25:13,150 --> 00:25:10,040
like it was a battle of all battles for

614
00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:13,160
their soul and like the and I spoke to

615
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,100
several other researchers in regards to

616
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:18,320
alien abduction and what they're hearing

617
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:20,090
out there and they're like the the alien

618
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:22,370
abductions have dropped it's changed

619
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:25,160
what have you been seeing well I tell

620
00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:27,050
you we interviewed you had no Nick

621
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:30,800
Redfern right yeah so we interviewed

622
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,710
Nick for the documentary went to Dallas

623
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:36,080
and interviewed him and had a great time

624
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:39,650
with him and he was telling me things

625
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:41,330
that to be honest I didn't really know

626
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:43,160
about and one of the things that was

627
00:25:49,030 --> 00:25:46,430
surprising is that in his his book where

628
00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:49,040
he featured rabo che the MUFON

629
00:25:53,770 --> 00:25:50,750
researcher who was also a Catholic

630
00:25:56,170 --> 00:25:53,780
priest and Ray said he was contacted by

631
00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:56,180
the government because they they usually

632
00:25:59,620 --> 00:25:57,740
felt that they were dealing with

633
00:26:01,330 --> 00:25:59,630
something demonic there was a dark cloud

634
00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:01,340
over their operations strange things

635
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:03,080
were happening people were even dying

636
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:06,710
and that was a new one to me and he said

637
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:08,330
look I didn't and and and you know

638
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:10,310
Nick's not a Bible believing Christian

639
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:13,160
right so when he went when he went to

640
00:26:17,050 --> 00:26:15,710
research this and he actually spoke with

641
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:17,060
some of the people in the government

642
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:19,010
that Ray mentioned he was able to

643
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:21,470
confirm that yeah so that was a real

644
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:25,010
eye-opener to me and many canta canta

645
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:27,290
talked about the stories of you know

646
00:26:32,260 --> 00:26:28,610
what people think of the men in black

647
00:26:33,970 --> 00:26:32,270
again it ain't the Hollywood version if

648
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:33,980
it's not Will Smith don't get the doors

649
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:37,310
at what you're saying yeah and so I have

650
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:40,410
to say some of that was was new to me

651
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,210
you know what I wanted to do in the

652
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:44,640
movie and the way that we we kind of do

653
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:46,670
do it is we take a scientific approach

654
00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:50,490
so we say here's the popular view and by

655
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:52,950
the way we got good old Bo Duke or

656
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,480
Superman's dad in Smallville right love

657
00:27:01,670 --> 00:26:58,860
a narrator and

658
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:01,680
you know what we do is we say well what

659
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:05,940
is it not so we've got pH D you know

660
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:08,940
aeronautical engineer PhD chemists PhD

661
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,820
biologists real joy for me was to

662
00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:13,740
interview a guy called dr. Henry Richter

663
00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:15,540
who's one of the fathers of the space

664
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:17,960
program he he actually helped invent

665
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:21,210
America's first satellite Explorer 1 you

666
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:22,860
know which was the in competition

667
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:25,110
obviously was Sputnik at the time and I

668
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:26,580
grew up a space junkie so that was a

669
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:29,010
real joy for me so we talked about that

670
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,170
the physical limitations you know so we

671
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:33,120
were charitable we say well even if they

672
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:35,610
are out there you could they even get

673
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:37,770
here and this is something you know when

674
00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:39,900
I go to UFO conferences people love to

675
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,180
challenge me about and they say well you

676
00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:44,100
can't say it's impossible because you

677
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:45,780
know a hundred years ago we thought man

678
00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:47,190
flights to the moon would have been

679
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:49,560
impossible but hang on you could go to

680
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,510
the manned flights in the room within

681
00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:54,360
our lifetime and you don't have to defy

682
00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:56,790
the laws of physics you know we know the

683
00:28:01,160 --> 00:27:59,190
laws of physics work here on earth and

684
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:01,170
they're the same everywhere we look out

685
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:02,850
in the universe we look at the rotations

686
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,340
and the galaxies and so on otherwise the

687
00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:08,100
universe would fly apart so we say well

688
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:11,070
ok if it's not them if they can't get

689
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:14,490
here is it possible that the universe is

690
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:16,890
still full of life so then we deal with

691
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:18,870
the issue of the Fermi paradox and we

692
00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:20,010
actually did a really brilliant

693
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:22,470
animation I think covered because the

694
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,210
music's been specially composed as well

695
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:27,360
and you know to show the extrapolation

696
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:29,130
of course Fermi says within a few

697
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:31,530
million years we would all be tripping

698
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:33,270
over each other so we definitely be

699
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,530
seeing each other if there were that

700
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:37,020
many alien civilization so like peeling

701
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,940
an onion you know you start to peel off

702
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:41,340
the layers and you say what's left we're

703
00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:43,410
not denying that people see things and

704
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:45,300
I've always said like I did in my book

705
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:47,610
the only place we can try to unpack

706
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:49,790
what's happening is in the area of

707
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,850
abductions now someone's experience the

708
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:55,740
they have doesn't necessarily make it

709
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,620
true or valid but as John Mack found and

710
00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:00,240
we have a really neat interview with him

711
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:03,390
from when he was on Oprah you know

712
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:04,740
Oprah's there saying you know what are

713
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,850
you talking about you're a Harvard

714
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:07,559
trained psychiatrist you run the

715
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:09,870
department there and he says well we

716
00:29:14,299 --> 00:29:12,210
interviewed all these people and he said

717
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:14,309
you know make-believe childhood fantasy

718
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:15,900
doesn't present like this people lying

719
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,910
doesn't present this dreams are not like

720
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:20,100
this the only thing that presents like

721
00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:23,070
this is real experience than other post

722
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:24,660
sense yeah

723
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:26,730
we've got to get to our break you guys

724
00:29:32,049 --> 00:29:28,049
you're listening to me Heidi Hollis the

725
00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:34,460
welcome back everybody you're listening

726
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:36,270
to me Heidi house the Outlander

727
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:37,950
remembering always if it's weird we're

728
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:40,049
here and we're speaking with Gary Bates

729
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:42,270
who's discussing his new movie

730
00:29:47,539 --> 00:29:45,090
alien intrusions and it's it's getting

731
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:47,549
really interesting I mean I I want you

732
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:49,830
to finish your thoughts on what you're

733
00:29:57,919 --> 00:29:55,140
mentioning yeah that's fine I mean I I

734
00:30:01,100 --> 00:29:57,929
think I was talking about John Mac who

735
00:30:02,270 --> 00:30:01,110
he was on Oprah and he heard about all

736
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:02,280
these people that were having these

737
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,990
alleged alien abduction experience and

738
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,059
he thought he didn't basically say I

739
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:07,679
think they're crazy but he's you know he

740
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:09,809
wanted to study them from a clinical

741
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:12,600
point of view and one after the other he

742
00:30:17,419 --> 00:30:15,570
says they don't know each other they've

743
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:17,429
got a lot more to lose than to gain from

744
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:18,870
telling their stories they feel

745
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:22,140
marginalized and he obviously became a

746
00:30:26,779 --> 00:30:24,630
believer in to the idea that these

747
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:26,789
people were having strange experiences

748
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,610
with at the time he thought aliens now I

749
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:30,960
don't know if a lot of people know this

750
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,580
but we've got an interview with him he

751
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:34,679
filmed on an Internet show we featured

752
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:36,570
in the movie and he's talking to another

753
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:40,140
PhD psychologist and he uses these words

754
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:43,049
he says what we are dealing with is

755
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,110
spirit beings who should have stayed in

756
00:30:50,299 --> 00:30:48,360
their realm but have been coming over

757
00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:50,309
and doing you know rape like

758
00:30:53,659 --> 00:30:51,780
interventions and then he says well

759
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,669
maybe maybe it's not right to them but

760
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:54,960
you know that it's kind of an

761
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,809
intervention to try to you know wake

762
00:31:01,520 --> 00:30:59,640
house up to other realities type of

763
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,530
thing well I heard Mac say that because

764
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,640
he obviously comes from a very

765
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:05,460
materialistic background again it shows

766
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:07,210
you this is evidence driven

767
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:08,890
this is actually what's happening out

768
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:12,190
there and for the church and for people

769
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:15,010
not to be aware of it from my point of

770
00:31:20,639 --> 00:31:17,980
view is is it's very sad I I'm not being

771
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:20,649
critical so one of the aims of the movie

772
00:31:25,139 --> 00:31:23,140
is to try to bring awareness because if

773
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,149
people are being spiritually affected

774
00:31:29,549 --> 00:31:27,520
who do they talk to I mean if you think

775
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:29,559
you've been abducted by aliens and sorry

776
00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:31,630
been you know rectally probed and had

777
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:33,700
sex with some beings from another planet

778
00:31:37,049 --> 00:31:35,320
on board a ship you're not exactly going

779
00:31:40,169 --> 00:31:37,059
to go to the office tomorrow morning and

780
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:40,179
tell people about it and they suffer all

781
00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:44,620
sorts of fight for their life their very

782
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:47,169
souls and and they climb out of their

783
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:49,390
room you know just panting and and

784
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,919
they're supposed to go and put on their

785
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:53,440
their suit and tie and and pretend like

786
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:56,529
all is well I mean it is a devastating

787
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:00,399
thing that's why I am so disappointed in

788
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:03,010
our government with their little release

789
00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:05,380
I I'm like you don't just lay it all out

790
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:08,020
already I I think out of everything that

791
00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:11,289
I've even ever experienced and that I've

792
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:15,190
ever heard their military abductions our

793
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:18,190
own government taking our own people and

794
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:21,370
and pretending to be an alien abduction

795
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:23,230
or whatever but they're interrogating

796
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,750
people to learn more about the alien

797
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:27,760
phenomena or whatever it is that they're

798
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:29,770
trying to get out of people it's like

799
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:32,049
those are our own people doing this

800
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:34,330
against them you know their brother

801
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:37,480
their sister it's sickening and it needs

802
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:40,169
to be just you know addressed

803
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:41,860
straightforward well one of the other

804
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:44,890
problems heidi is not every not every

805
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:51,690
euro UFO group is necessarily a serious

806
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:54,490
group you know the lots of around the

807
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:56,830
country so when somebody thinks they've

808
00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:58,990
seen a UFO or thinks or believes they've

809
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:01,210
had an experience with aliens you know

810
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:02,770
who are they going to talk to that as i

811
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:04,330
said they don't go to church they get

812
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:06,820
shunned i've met people who said they

813
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,260
were literally laughed out of the church

814
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,240
one lady I spoke to who's actually in

815
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,640
the movie the church told her to leave

816
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:14,230
because she was trying to tell people

817
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:15,850
about a story and they told her to leave

818
00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:19,510
so they go to these UFO research groups

819
00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:21,160
then what happens is of course they're

820
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:23,860
gonna say welcome you know we've got

821
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:26,740
people just like you here and to me it

822
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:28,780
drives them deeper into the phenomenon

823
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:30,760
yeah and this then this is something I

824
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:32,170
think I've written about that not a lot

825
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:33,850
of people have written about and correct

826
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:37,750
me if I'm wrong but people human beings

827
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:40,930
were quite complex creatures so when

828
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:44,920
when we are in an isolated situation the

829
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,900
only people that we can relate to other

830
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:49,120
people who have isolated us so let's

831
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:51,070
think about something closer to home

832
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:53,770
let's say a wife is suffering domestic

833
00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:56,560
abuse or sexual abuse from a husband or

834
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:58,660
something you're not going to tell

835
00:34:03,120 --> 00:33:59,980
anyone because of the problems that's

836
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:03,130
gonna cause you put up with it but then

837
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:05,470
what happens is in a perverse way the

838
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:07,960
person you reach out to for empathy is

839
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:10,840
the one that's doing the abusing and I

840
00:34:14,669 --> 00:34:12,340
found that it's like this in the

841
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:14,679
abduction phenomenon aliens are not

842
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:16,360
interested in sex that you know they're

843
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:18,280
not interested in harvesting program sex

844
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:21,490
as a mechanism of control because once

845
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:23,080
you've had that level of intimacy with

846
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:25,450
somebody you're going to feel bound to

847
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:27,790
them and you know something called

848
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:29,230
Stockholm Syndrome which you would have

849
00:34:33,659 --> 00:34:31,780
heard of oh yeah which is where people

850
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:33,669
get kidnapped and they get locked in a

851
00:34:38,369 --> 00:34:36,070
room and again the only people they can

852
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,379
relate to are the ones who've you know

853
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:40,720
basically kidnapped them and Patty

854
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:42,820
Hearst of course was the great candidate

855
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:44,169
of that is remember when she stood at a

856
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:46,270
bank and she's sitting there all

857
00:34:49,889 --> 00:34:47,800
standing there brandishing a machine gun

858
00:34:52,169 --> 00:34:49,899
she suddenly become aligned with her

859
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:52,179
captors cause and I think a great

860
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:53,740
example of that of course was Whitley

861
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,190
Strieber

862
00:35:00,330 --> 00:34:57,280
who first talked about being terrified

863
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,340
and scared and sodomized and then later

864
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:02,320
on and his writings he spoke about love

865
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:06,400
in loving terms yes so that's the

866
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:07,840
problem you see when you go to one of

867
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:09,910
the UFO clinics if you only get half the

868
00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:12,850
story it's a half truth and a half truth

869
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,600
is a half lie and then when we know

870
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:17,680
demonstrably that these entities have

871
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:19,420
been lying to us as whereas Nick Redfern

872
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,430
and John keel and it and Budd Hopkins

873
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:23,440
and John Mack and everybody will tell

874
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:26,230
you they lie and about their true intent

875
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:28,270
then why would you want to be

876
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:30,610
reinforcing and promoting the idea of

877
00:35:34,339 --> 00:35:32,200
having more experience with them and

878
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:34,349
trusting

879
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:37,240
exactly you know that Stockholm Syndrome

880
00:35:42,299 --> 00:35:40,569
I talked about it a lot I've written in

881
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:42,309
regards to it as well because it's like

882
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:46,240
I was there I was in these UFO alien

883
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:49,150
abduction groups watching people who who

884
00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:51,730
are speaking of outright terror watching

885
00:35:55,289 --> 00:35:53,319
their children being taken from their

886
00:35:58,019 --> 00:35:55,299
bedrooms as they're paralyzed and probed

887
00:36:00,210 --> 00:35:58,029
and experimented on and watched the

888
00:36:02,579 --> 00:36:00,220
shift to I'm special

889
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:02,589
they taught me something this is

890
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:05,470
supposed to happen you know and it was

891
00:36:10,109 --> 00:36:07,750
and then they assisted in the abductions

892
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:10,119
and calming other victims

893
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:13,089
and I'm like whoa what is going on here

894
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:15,700
I was just someone who had seen UFOs

895
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:19,150
some massive UFOs and to listen to that

896
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:21,970
shift it really scared me it was

897
00:36:26,269 --> 00:36:23,980
absolutely terrifying so I know what

898
00:36:29,579 --> 00:36:26,279
you're speaking of and it's like hold on

899
00:36:33,059 --> 00:36:29,589
how do we get people to realize the

900
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:33,069
bigger picture and gain back their their

901
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:34,660
strength in their faith to take these

902
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,109
things on what do you suggest to people

903
00:36:43,319 --> 00:36:40,000
well I think what you and when I've

904
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:43,329
spoken to people have had experiences or

905
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:45,970
abductees they conflate two different

906
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:46,410
things

907
00:36:50,819 --> 00:36:48,970
when you try to if you turn around and

908
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,829
say well it's all demonic or or maybe it

909
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,960
says as I said you've got to listen

910
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:55,210
first thing is you have to listen to

911
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,490
their stories and one of the things that

912
00:37:01,319 --> 00:36:59,440
struck me even when I was out speaking

913
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:01,329
in churches on there so I'd be stood up

914
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:03,400
there and and I've kind of almost can

915
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:06,460
identify people from the pulpit you'll

916
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:08,020
get people who were sitting right down

917
00:37:11,609 --> 00:37:09,609
the front who've sinned the sign board

918
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,619
outside and they're salivating waiting

919
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:13,359
for you to say yeah ETS are really

920
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:14,680
flying there

921
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:16,569
you know hyperdrive spaceships and

922
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:18,760
visiting the earth and then you see some

923
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:21,490
people or a guy he's a set back in the

924
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,380
corner or he's not sitting with anybody

925
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:25,839
and they're the ones that will often

926
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:28,150
come up to me after and they'll wait -

927
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:30,940
everybody's gone and and this is what

928
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:32,770
and I wasn't expecting this and they'll

929
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:35,140
turn around him and they say it was just

930
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,720
like you said it was just like you said

931
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:40,000
what you described up there that

932
00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:42,520
happened to me and for the first time in

933
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:46,420
many cases somebody has understood

934
00:37:51,779 --> 00:37:49,420
so you've immediately got this kind of

935
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,789
bond of empathy with them because

936
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:54,160
they're saying you don't think I'm crazy

937
00:37:58,049 --> 00:37:56,200
and you actually understand what

938
00:38:00,809 --> 00:37:58,059
happened to me so that's the first thing

939
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:00,819
because once you can get people to trust

940
00:38:05,579 --> 00:38:03,670
you and not deny their experience

941
00:38:07,289 --> 00:38:05,589
because if you deny as I said they'll

942
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:07,299
just go off to one of those UFO research

943
00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:09,730
centers get hypnotically regressed get

944
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:11,140
implanted with all sorts of false

945
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:13,510
memories who knows what can happen and

946
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:16,750
then the thing is you can't even then

947
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:20,470
say well let me tell you it's not what

948
00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:22,510
you think it is because they know no it

949
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,430
really happened hang on yes I know it

950
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:25,839
really happened but it's not what you

951
00:38:30,329 --> 00:38:27,880
think it is they conflate the two so

952
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,339
what I do is I ask questions you know

953
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:31,839
did this happen did this happen where

954
00:38:36,509 --> 00:38:33,880
you told this where you told this and

955
00:38:38,309 --> 00:38:36,519
what I found was if you can get them to

956
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:38,319
doubt the stories that they're being

957
00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:41,470
told you know we're sticking needles

958
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:43,420
through your brain and through your

959
00:38:46,799 --> 00:38:45,250
eyeball because it's good for you hang

960
00:38:51,509 --> 00:38:46,809
on just stop and think about that a

961
00:38:53,579 --> 00:38:51,519
moment why if they're that advanced why

962
00:38:56,549 --> 00:38:53,589
aren't they using the tricorder from you

963
00:38:59,789 --> 00:38:56,559
know dr. McCoy's lab lab on Star Trek

964
00:39:01,799 --> 00:38:59,799
why do they you know probe you with

965
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:01,809
blunt objects and torch you why do they

966
00:39:05,279 --> 00:39:03,430
need to sodomize you and have sex with

967
00:39:08,099 --> 00:39:05,289
you sorry to be to be blunt but it's

968
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,109
good to be a nomad talk about these

969
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:10,000
things yeah once you get once you get

970
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:12,609
people to doubt it and I was on a very

971
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:14,440
well-known radio show when we were just

972
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:16,210
talking about it in the break I won't

973
00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:17,529
mention it though she don't want me to

974
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:22,119
but okay well was coast to coast and it

975
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:25,690
was I was kind of still fairly new to

976
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:28,170
doing the interviews on this subject and

977
00:39:33,059 --> 00:39:30,940
we spoke for two hours and then the

978
00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:33,069
first call in came and and this young

979
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:35,259
man rang up and he said I've been an

980
00:39:39,329 --> 00:39:37,240
abductee since I was four years of age

981
00:39:41,099 --> 00:39:39,339
and he was telling me all about his

982
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:41,109
experiences and I thought oh here it

983
00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:43,150
comes he's gonna machine-gun me and tell

984
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:45,309
me I'm wrong I needs thrown around he

985
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:47,710
said mr. Bates he said I never thought

986
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:50,049
about it you said you're right he said

987
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,180
they're not highly evolved benevolent

988
00:39:56,999 --> 00:39:55,119
beings he said malevolent he said what

989
00:39:59,490 --> 00:39:57,009
why I thought and it's suddenly like the

990
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:59,500
lights came on for him he'd just been

991
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:00,160
driven in

992
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:02,589
to an accepted as I say due to the

993
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:05,230
isolation of the experience and now he's

994
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:09,190
suddenly gone all of this you know it

995
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:11,799
doesn't make sense and that's the point

996
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:13,690
I think you have to die found you have

997
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,010
to get people to you know if if if

998
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:19,839
they're given over to it I'm talking

999
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,030
about the one now that's that welcomes

1000
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:24,880
it that's given into it the people that

1001
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:26,710
are still looking for closure and still

1002
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:27,940
aren't sure what's happened it's

1003
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:29,470
obviously a lot easier to talk to them

1004
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:31,240
but if this has been happening to

1005
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:32,770
someone for several years and they've

1006
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:34,900
just kind of accepted it and and and as

1007
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:36,940
I say been given over to it you that's

1008
00:40:40,589 --> 00:40:38,920
where I work I try to get them to doubt

1009
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:40,599
the experience doubt what they're being

1010
00:40:45,299 --> 00:40:42,760
told and as I mentioned before Nick

1011
00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:45,309
Redfern has shown you know and I know

1012
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:46,809
this was something I independently

1013
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:48,460
picked up but he agreed he said you know

1014
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:50,770
in the 50s and 60s they were from Venus

1015
00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:53,230
and Saturn and now we can test those

1016
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,299
places now they're from the Pleiades and

1017
00:40:59,099 --> 00:40:57,520
Sirius and yeah where we can't test

1018
00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:59,109
their claims they're the goalposts keep

1019
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:01,510
moving they've made predictions about

1020
00:41:05,819 --> 00:41:03,369
the future that have been false and

1021
00:41:08,609 --> 00:41:05,829
haven't come to pass why do they hide

1022
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:08,619
their true nature why do they you know I

1023
00:41:12,839 --> 00:41:11,260
wrote in the book meeting an object and

1024
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:12,849
head on and I'd say yeah well people

1025
00:41:19,289 --> 00:41:14,770
will come up with excuses of why they

1026
00:41:20,849 --> 00:41:19,299
rape and abduct people yeah I wrote up

1027
00:41:25,319 --> 00:41:20,859
perhaps they don't say please on

1028
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:25,329
Pleiades you know I've been overseeing

1029
00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:27,640
us for all of this time Holly then may

1030
00:41:32,819 --> 00:41:29,829
know what it does to human beings and

1031
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:32,829
there's no excuse yeah I like to say you

1032
00:41:37,049 --> 00:41:35,020
know if you had a friend who when they

1033
00:41:39,029 --> 00:41:37,059
came over they kept smacking you upside

1034
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:39,039
the head would you welcome that friend

1035
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:41,770
in the room still you know why would why

1036
00:41:45,299 --> 00:41:43,270
would you open your arms today I think

1037
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:45,309
you would take away the invitation to

1038
00:41:49,769 --> 00:41:47,890
that friend you know and and it's just

1039
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:49,779
so funny at the the come back from

1040
00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:51,849
people who are loyal to their abductors

1041
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:54,789
are like well I had to be harmed in

1042
00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:56,710
order to learn like you spank your

1043
00:42:02,579 --> 00:41:59,890
children I'm like did you first reach

1044
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:02,589
out to them and said hey abuse me and

1045
00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:05,529
I'll learn no this is something is wrong

1046
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:07,480
with the whole picture and it's it's a

1047
00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:09,700
crying shame how so many people I mean

1048
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,500
the the horror of abductions as

1049
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:15,440
as as the groups are concerned and I

1050
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:18,500
always say I don't want to judge people

1051
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,850
for what they believe to be true for

1052
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,340
themselves but in being in these groups

1053
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:25,040
and observing them for so many years now

1054
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:27,230
I've been involved in this for over 20

1055
00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:29,870
years and and seeing that the people

1056
00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:33,470
embrace their their experiences now when

1057
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:35,120
they were once considered to be so

1058
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:37,970
horrific and and everything being loving

1059
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:39,830
light and you know I just send them

1060
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:41,960
light and they send it back and like

1061
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:49,280
that's not true so it's it's a it's

1062
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:51,050
interesting to have seen this shift um

1063
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:53,900
you know as you as you go forward and

1064
00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:55,670
you know I have to give you kudos well

1065
00:43:02,020 --> 00:42:58,070
first because you said you spoke and the

1066
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:02,030
church is about this I am known away I'm

1067
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:05,630
blown away I I have to ask you if you

1068
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:09,800
have known of people who speak of more

1069
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:12,140
positive alien beings who do not abduct

1070
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:14,210
and who warn against the beings who do

1071
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:18,740
abductions the only ones in terms of

1072
00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:21,290
positive abduction experiences I have

1073
00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:30,080
never met 100 absolutely absolutely I'll

1074
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:32,840
tell you in fact I was I was speaking in

1075
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:36,050
Roswell and this white-haired man who I

1076
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:39,160
found out is the MUFON rep for Roswell I

1077
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:41,540
was there I was actually speaking on

1078
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:43,310
creation/evolution some of the churches

1079
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:46,040
and I was also at a UFO conference there

1080
00:43:50,890 --> 00:43:47,540
I don't know if you know guy Malone he

1081
00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:50,900
organized yes and so he had be there

1082
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:53,600
speaking and so you know I had some book

1083
00:43:58,270 --> 00:43:55,430
tables out there and this gentleman

1084
00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:58,280
walks along and he says he's saying to

1085
00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:00,140
the people browse in the books you don't

1086
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:01,790
have to believe this that this is not

1087
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:02,690
right

1088
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:04,760
you don't have to accept this and so

1089
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:07,730
when I had a moment by myself with him I

1090
00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:10,220
challenged him and he said well yours is

1091
00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:12,320
yours is only one view he said there are

1092
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:15,080
many ways to God Jesus is just one way

1093
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:17,690
and then he told me that he meets with

1094
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Jesus on a regular basis yeah at least

1095
00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:22,010
twice a week he appears in his room and

1096
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,900
he said let me tell you what what Jesus

1097
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:25,520
said and I said well now just hold on I

1098
00:44:28,539 --> 00:44:26,390
said

1099
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:28,549
it's an illogical statement to say that

1100
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:30,410
all religions are equal in their many

1101
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:33,140
ways to God because some Jesus for

1102
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:35,480
example says I am the way the truth and

1103
00:44:38,769 --> 00:44:36,049
the life

1104
00:44:40,359 --> 00:44:38,779
he's either a lunatic or a liar or he's

1105
00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:40,369
or he's telling the truth

1106
00:44:45,279 --> 00:44:42,589
it's an illogical premise to say that

1107
00:44:46,779 --> 00:44:45,289
all ways are equal so he so I said look

1108
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:46,789
let me give you an example

1109
00:44:53,319 --> 00:44:50,720
I said let's take those guys who stole

1110
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:53,329
some aeroplanes full of passengers and

1111
00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:56,210
flew them into the buildings on 9/11 now

1112
00:45:00,609 --> 00:44:58,460
according to their religion it was

1113
00:45:01,569 --> 00:45:00,619
virtuous to do that because the minute

1114
00:45:03,460 --> 00:45:01,579
that they were killed and martyred

1115
00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:03,470
themselves they get an immediate ticket

1116
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:05,000
into paradise now I know I'm being

1117
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:06,680
politically incorrect here but that's

1118
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:08,329
fine I mean you know I'm a creationist

1119
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:12,140
so what the heck so and I said so if

1120
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:15,500
always are true I said is is that way

1121
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:17,390
true would you agree did they hear the

1122
00:45:22,029 --> 00:45:20,420
truth is that the truth they they may

1123
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:22,039
have even had an experience but was it

1124
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:24,440
truthful and he said well I just want to

1125
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:25,910
tell you about what Jesus says to me and

1126
00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:27,529
I said look just answer the question

1127
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:27,769
please

1128
00:45:32,019 --> 00:45:30,529
and he wouldn't and then some guy I

1129
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,029
could see him on the side he was just

1130
00:45:34,749 --> 00:45:33,200
sideling up listening through our

1131
00:45:36,759 --> 00:45:34,759
conversation it was getting more

1132
00:45:39,759 --> 00:45:36,769
animated and then he turned around to

1133
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,769
this MUFON guy and he said answer the

1134
00:45:45,069 --> 00:45:42,170
man's damn question referring to me and

1135
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:45,079
he said no they're not all truthful and

1136
00:45:50,589 --> 00:45:47,750
I said so lots of people can have

1137
00:45:52,589 --> 00:45:50,599
experiences I said but it doesn't mean

1138
00:45:56,109 --> 00:45:52,599
that they're all truthful in nature and

1139
00:45:58,029 --> 00:45:56,119
he just walked away and left yeah and

1140
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,039
that's what I found is when people have

1141
00:46:02,589 --> 00:46:00,680
these contacts when they're told that

1142
00:46:05,019 --> 00:46:02,599
it's all positive and you know it's a

1143
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,029
very very ecumenical holistic sounding

1144
00:46:11,859 --> 00:46:07,119
message and I mean the new-age

1145
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:11,869
contactees are full of everybody else I

1146
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:14,109
know what you're speaking of okay yeah

1147
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,890
everything is love and light in the

1148
00:46:20,049 --> 00:46:17,839
universe I've had people that are like

1149
00:46:21,759 --> 00:46:20,059
oh come on why would these you know

1150
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:21,769
highly intelligent beings across the

1151
00:46:26,549 --> 00:46:24,230
universe just to abused us I'm like why

1152
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,559
did Christopher Columbus come across

1153
00:46:31,299 --> 00:46:29,210
everybody he met you know it's like

1154
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:31,309
because they could you know it's like

1155
00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:34,220
but one of the one of the things that

1156
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,190
I've come across and personally

1157
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,960
experienced it that was

1158
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:41,940
positive nature I have not had

1159
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,130
abductions thank God but something that

1160
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:47,760
happened to my college roommate who was

1161
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:50,730
a Pentecostal long haired long dress

1162
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,390
wearing person who thought that aliens

1163
00:47:00,020 --> 00:46:57,000
were all demons and had an encounter

1164
00:47:02,540 --> 00:47:00,030
that changed the scope of so much and

1165
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:02,550
then I met a group of people called the

1166
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,700
light side group and they had something

1167
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:08,160
very similar and and it wasn't it wasn't

1168
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,770
these typical beings that you hear out

1169
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,380
there that are you know ducting and

1170
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:15,540
telling people this doesn't it they

1171
00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:17,850
spoke of God and watch out for these

1172
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:19,860
aliens that are grabbing people and this

1173
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:21,870
is how you get rid of them use Jesus I

1174
00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:26,130
mean I have heard that I can frame/s yes

1175
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:27,600
I have sorry now I know where you're

1176
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:30,210
headed yeah yes I've had people speak to

1177
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:33,510
me and I believe it I ought to be honest

1178
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,490
I don't encourage them to use it as a

1179
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:38,040
testimony and here's why because if

1180
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,530
we're just basing the the testimony or

1181
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:43,260
our version of the truth upon experience

1182
00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:45,570
as I've said what makes it more valid

1183
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,580
than the other person's experience or

1184
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:49,470
the other person's experience I think

1185
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:50,910
you've got to have a framework of

1186
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:55,230
discernment and and I as again I I think

1187
00:47:59,350 --> 00:47:56,700
you've got to look at the Bible because

1188
00:48:01,160 --> 00:47:59,360
the Bible is not only you know

1189
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,170
increasingly we're finding to be

1190
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:02,640
scientifically accurate it's

1191
00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:04,230
historically accurate has never been

1192
00:48:07,850 --> 00:48:06,120
disproven in that respect archeology

1193
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:07,860
we're finding more and more finds all

1194
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:10,110
the time and it talks about this

1195
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,750
spiritual realm I mean Jesus stood there

1196
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:14,940
before Pontius Pilate and he said My

1197
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,190
Kingdom is not of this world my kingdom

1198
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:19,740
is from another place and Paul writes in

1199
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,890
Galatians even if we or an angel from

1200
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,420
heaven should come and preach another

1201
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:26,160
gospel other than one we've preached to

1202
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,780
you let him be eternally condemned and

1203
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:30,240
you go on and Satan masquerades as an

1204
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:32,490
angel of light so again we stripped down

1205
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,770
the cultural view of angels you could

1206
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,300
actually have a look what the text is

1207
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,520
saying that's the source we should use

1208
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:40,140
because you and I can't go to that

1209
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:41,910
spiritual realm so we've got to have a

1210
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:44,100
source that can help us understand that

1211
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:46,710
spiritual realm and of course it's very

1212
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:49,140
clear that these spiritual beings will

1213
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:51,230
come over and try to deceive people

1214
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:53,650
Jesus says you know in the lad

1215
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:55,900
dey's false false there'll be signs and

1216
00:49:01,260 --> 00:48:58,270
wonders and false messiahs he gives us a

1217
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:01,270
heads up for chrono yes it's it's an

1218
00:49:05,849 --> 00:49:03,970
interesting time you know there's a

1219
00:49:08,339 --> 00:49:05,859
phenomenon I don't know if you're

1220
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:08,349
familiar with this but speaking of the

1221
00:49:12,839 --> 00:49:11,170
trying times that we're in Jesus

1222
00:49:14,849 --> 00:49:12,849
encounters are going up through the roof

1223
00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:14,859
and especially in the Middle East to

1224
00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:17,799
those of the faith and then there was

1225
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:19,869
this phenomenon called the hat man

1226
00:49:27,329 --> 00:49:24,190
phenomenon I put out there and he is a

1227
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:27,339
guy in a three-piece suit a gaucho hat

1228
00:49:33,769 --> 00:49:30,520
or in a trench coat or a cape and he

1229
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:33,779
goes to people I house ins of stories

1230
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,890
grabbing trying to grab people by the

1231
00:49:41,279 --> 00:49:38,319
soul of them and trying to get them to

1232
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:41,289
work for him and he will say he is the

1233
00:49:46,349 --> 00:49:44,740
devil and it's ridiculous it's so

1234
00:49:48,859 --> 00:49:46,359
through the roof I am I meet people

1235
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:48,869
every day that have experienced him and

1236
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,980
something is going on now in the

1237
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:52,480
interesting part you'll get a kick out

1238
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:55,390
of this this man guy has been seen right

1239
00:50:03,240 --> 00:49:59,410
alongside alien beings sometimes so talk

1240
00:50:05,339 --> 00:50:03,250
about demons right yeah so getting

1241
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:05,349
interesting well when you think of how

1242
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:08,230
the cultures changed that you we have

1243
00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:10,630
plenty of media shows where Lucifer's

1244
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:14,020
being depicted as a good guy where you

1245
00:50:18,839 --> 00:50:15,700
know demons are just another life-form

1246
00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:18,849
or spiritual form and yeah they're a

1247
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:20,619
little bit mischievous but they're not

1248
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:23,140
really you know bad and of course we've

1249
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:27,730
totally desensitized the supernatural so

1250
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:31,450
again it makes people more open to the

1251
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:34,089
experience that's what I found is and

1252
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:36,010
isn't it interesting I think I quoted in

1253
00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:36,609
my book

1254
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:40,029
Richard McNally who's a who's a skeptic

1255
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:41,890
an atheist he speaks at the skeptics

1256
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:43,240
conferences here in the States and

1257
00:50:47,609 --> 00:50:44,470
around the world and he's another

1258
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:47,619
Harvard researcher but he and so he does

1259
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:49,329
not believe people are being abducted or

1260
00:50:54,089 --> 00:50:51,510
having spiritual experiences but he says

1261
00:50:56,789 --> 00:50:54,099
his research shows that people who

1262
00:50:58,589 --> 00:50:56,799
believed in you know bioenergetic

1263
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,599
therapies or had messed around with

1264
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:01,440
tarot cards Ouija boards generally had a

1265
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:04,750
predisposition in New Age beliefs were

1266
00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:07,510
more likely to believe that they were

1267
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:10,600
a bit being afflicted by aliens or

1268
00:51:14,310 --> 00:51:12,970
having these contacts and encounters so

1269
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:14,320
when that comes from someone who doesn't

1270
00:51:18,090 --> 00:51:15,910
even believe in it all but he says

1271
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:18,100
there's a pattern there he's saying he

1272
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:19,870
thinks it's obviously a psychological

1273
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:22,870
predisposition the fantasy but of course

1274
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:25,810
it's not because as Susan Blackmore and

1275
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:27,250
all of these people have tried to

1276
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:29,740
scientifically explain away the feelings

1277
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:31,470
of strange people in a room by

1278
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:34,330
increasing electric electric magnetic

1279
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:36,130
currents in the room well that's all

1280
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:37,450
well and good you can have those

1281
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:39,130
feelings but when people have very

1282
00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:42,280
detailed stories yeah they've been told

1283
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:43,900
it can't account for those types of

1284
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:46,120
those did those types of details or

1285
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:47,950
elements and in the in the abduction

1286
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:51,910
scenario yeah it's oh my gosh it's so

1287
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:53,890
you know I don't know if you got to

1288
00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:57,130
answering a fully in regards to if

1289
00:52:02,340 --> 00:51:59,710
you've seen a shift in a change as far

1290
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,350
as alien abductions are concerned more

1291
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:04,980
recently like have you heard of anybody

1292
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:07,330
just calling them demons outright

1293
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:11,380
instead of it was an alien well the big

1294
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:13,300
surprise to me was to hear Nick Redfern

1295
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,690
say that yeah yeah but you know he's one

1296
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:18,160
of the few honest researchers around

1297
00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:21,130
when we interviewed him he said that you

1298
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:23,620
know very much he his thoughts have

1299
00:52:26,550 --> 00:52:24,970
shifted over the years in fact I wrote

1300
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:26,560
an article on our website the reason I

1301
00:52:31,050 --> 00:52:29,290
looked him up is because I wanted I

1302
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:31,060
wrote to him and I said I applaud you

1303
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:33,730
for your honesty he he said you know

1304
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:35,740
years ago I thought they were aliens in

1305
00:52:40,350 --> 00:52:38,200
spaceships and he's John keel was a big

1306
00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:40,360
influence on him and how it shifted away

1307
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:43,720
and he basically said yeah you shouldn't

1308
00:52:48,350 --> 00:52:45,550
have anything to do with it it changes

1309
00:52:53,070 --> 00:52:48,360
people's worldviews they're traumatized

1310
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:53,080
and and so you know rather than from you

1311
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:54,310
know in my early days

1312
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:56,650
MUFON were looking at it and trying to

1313
00:53:01,110 --> 00:52:58,930
figure it out but I never so much help

1314
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,120
being given to people yeah I can't I do

1315
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:03,520
kind of think in some ways that the

1316
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:06,330
clock the cover is is is being blown

1317
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:08,410
because if you could that's why I said

1318
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:10,420
earlier if you can get people just to

1319
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:13,810
see some common sense so you know we've

1320
00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:16,120
got all these sci-fi stories about all

1321
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:18,760
this technology in the future so why do

1322
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:20,110
they want to come and do these horrible

1323
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:21,340
things to you

1324
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:23,530
seeing we're seeing all sorts of things

1325
00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:25,720
you know I wrote in my book and a lot of

1326
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:27,840
people didn't know this that you know

1327
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:31,240
abductions we were never done by the

1328
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:33,880
greys the greys pretty much didn't exist

1329
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:36,190
until the 70s until speed Spielberg's

1330
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:38,500
movie and then we had an acceleration of

1331
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:40,780
them but now you've got the reptilians

1332
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:42,670
you've got Nordics you've got in Sector

1333
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:44,200
words you've got all sorts of things

1334
00:53:51,330 --> 00:53:48,970
Star Wars bar scene and then you've got

1335
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:51,340
people having their experiences with men

1336
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:53,710
in black and women in black were walking

1337
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,210
up to the front door I mean yeah I gotta

1338
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:00,640
tell you you know it was about ten years

1339
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:03,580
ago myself and Nick and several people

1340
00:54:09,210 --> 00:54:07,330
uh Jim Marsden and whatnot we were doing

1341
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:09,220
a new television series for Discovery

1342
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:10,900
Channel and I had a lot of deep

1343
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:13,210
conversations in regards to Nick and

1344
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:16,600
regard talking about these beings being

1345
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,480
demonic and and just kind of like just

1346
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:21,520
going through the whole thing it was it

1347
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:23,500
was really really fascinating and to get

1348
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:26,650
his scientific take on so much he's what

1349
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:28,690
doesn't he know honestly he's covered so

1350
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:30,370
many different topics but we gotta get

1351
00:54:38,430 --> 00:54:34,990
to our next break welcome back everybody

1352
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:38,440
how's it going we are talking with Gary

1353
00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:40,270
Bates and I have to tell you guys to

1354
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:42,460
check out his movie get the information

1355
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:45,400
for that Gary so everybody can thank you

1356
00:54:50,850 --> 00:54:47,860
well the movie is alien intrusion

1357
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,860
unmasking a deception one-night-only we

1358
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:52,240
hope to get more nights that'll depend

1359
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,190
upon how many people turn up the first

1360
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:57,520
night they get tickets at fathom events

1361
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:00,210
calm or they can go to alien intrusion

1362
00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:03,340
calm and they can punch in their zip

1363
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:05,080
code find a theater near them and book

1364
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:07,090
tickets and it's just wise to get

1365
00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:09,010
tickets in advance because when it's one

1366
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:11,260
night sometimes these things do get sold

1367
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:15,760
out in certain locations so well yeah it

1368
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:17,530
is exciting you know when you think

1369
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:20,560
about it Heidi there are very few movies

1370
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:23,530
in this genre that actually tell it like

1371
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:26,080
it is because most movies are out there

1372
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:27,940
to make money so they kind of tell

1373
00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:29,890
people what they want to hear because

1374
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,800
they wanted to be popular where a faith

1375
00:55:37,859 --> 00:55:35,200
funded Christian ministry so

1376
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:37,869
we have an obligation to what we believe

1377
00:55:41,099 --> 00:55:39,609
is the truth you know we're not out

1378
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:41,109
there to make money out of it we just

1379
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:42,790
want the information to be spread as

1380
00:55:46,289 --> 00:55:44,680
wide as possible and and you know I

1381
00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:46,299
could hear it in your voice and your

1382
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:48,760
tone which has emboldened me to speak

1383
00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:50,410
more frankly in this interview I have to

1384
00:55:54,329 --> 00:55:52,660
say this normally I when people don't

1385
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:54,339
don't know when you're in there first

1386
00:56:01,740 --> 00:55:55,480
time is you've got to tread very

1387
00:56:04,049 --> 00:56:01,750
carefully the people people's lives are

1388
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:04,059
being wrecked by this phenomenon they're

1389
00:56:09,809 --> 00:56:07,750
being absolutely wrecked and you like me

1390
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:09,819
have a sense of frustration and I have

1391
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:12,220
to say I have to keep that in balanced

1392
00:56:15,569 --> 00:56:13,510
and give credit where it's due because

1393
00:56:17,789 --> 00:56:15,579
most people are just ignorant about it

1394
00:56:19,410 --> 00:56:17,799
so that's why they're going to say I

1395
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:19,420
don't want to know put the hands up it's

1396
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:22,510
all crazy so the aim of this movie is to

1397
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:26,410
bring awareness and I hope I pray to God

1398
00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:28,690
that people get some closure after

1399
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,000
seeing this movie particularly the

1400
00:56:35,010 --> 00:56:32,559
ending we've had people coming out in

1401
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:35,020
tears and the draft screenings because

1402
00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:36,670
it shows there is an answer to this

1403
00:56:41,579 --> 00:56:39,700
phenomenon that's beautiful I can't tell

1404
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,589
you how many years I've waited to hear

1405
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:44,559
someone making something like this and

1406
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:46,750
my friends are in the chat room who are

1407
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:49,089
part of the light side group there they

1408
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:51,970
I know they're ecstatic because it's

1409
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:54,250
been like you know plugging away like

1410
00:56:57,930 --> 00:56:56,410
come on people wake up do you realize

1411
00:56:59,609 --> 00:56:57,940
what we're dealing with here and and

1412
00:57:02,339 --> 00:56:59,619
it's like gosh who has the money to pull

1413
00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:02,349
something together to to tell it like it

1414
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:05,740
is and I this is this is phenomenal what

1415
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:08,440
you're doing I cannot applaud you enough

1416
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:11,950
for the effort this donations are still

1417
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:14,049
welcome because we fundraise to make the

1418
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:16,809
movie but here's the other thing I want

1419
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:18,760
to say and again everyone thinks their

1420
00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:20,710
own movie is the best it's actually the

1421
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:24,040
third one that we've done but the

1422
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:25,540
comments we've had is is its Hollywood

1423
00:57:28,829 --> 00:57:27,130
quality we've made it entertaining

1424
00:57:31,859 --> 00:57:28,839
there's a lot of special effects there's

1425
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:31,869
animations you know we spend a lot of

1426
00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:33,970
money on great b-roll we went all over

1427
00:57:39,569 --> 00:57:36,390
the country you know we went to Roswell

1428
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,579
and as I say I even went to South Korea

1429
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,440
to interview my old friend Joe Jordan

1430
00:57:46,109 --> 00:57:44,559
because he moved countries so that yeah

1431
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:46,119
I think people will be impressed with

1432
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:48,790
the quality the music score was composed

1433
00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:52,450
a great young composer in Clifford

1434
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,870
Bradley in the UK I think I just think

1435
00:58:00,120 --> 00:57:57,280
the music was inspired if there's

1436
00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:00,130
anything I just love in this it's the

1437
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:02,200
music and four starts off with Morse

1438
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:06,730
code to a musical theme and you can hear

1439
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:08,260
it in the background you know did too

1440
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:11,650
did too did he never told me I just love

1441
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:13,360
the tune and then he told me halfway

1442
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,730
through the project than the the Morse

1443
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:17,680
code is actually reading out we are not

1444
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:22,150
alone I love that because some people

1445
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:24,130
will really understand it and start

1446
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:30,310
giggling in the middle that's awesome

1447
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:33,160
you know and talking about the whole

1448
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:35,800
point of the film and realizing that

1449
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:37,390
this is more of a spiritual is a

1450
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:38,680
spiritual warfare that we're dealing

1451
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:41,890
with and one one element that a lot of

1452
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,130
people don't seem to understand

1453
00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:46,900
near-death experiencers who just so

1454
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:49,630
happened to have had alien abduction I

1455
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:51,970
don't know you talk to people who have

1456
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:55,330
had that and at the end of their tunnel

1457
00:59:00,560 --> 00:58:58,300
are the beings who were victimizing them

1458
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:00,570
in this lifetime and I always would say

1459
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:03,970
why do you think that is these beings

1460
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:05,890
are able to walk through a wall for a

1461
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,550
reason

1462
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,520
it's interdimensional its spiritual and

1463
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:11,440
it's always frustrated me and lo and

1464
00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:13,690
behold a couple years back I saw this

1465
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,880
television show that that had people

1466
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:18,400
talking about near-death experiences and

1467
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,130
there was one full episode of nothing

1468
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:23,920
but people who had like they've gone

1469
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:26,470
through a into another planet and saw

1470
00:59:33,150 --> 00:59:29,380
other aliens and it was so amazing so

1471
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,160
well I survived behind a back you

1472
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:34,720
certainly are a sister from another

1473
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:37,990
mother because I've never spoken to

1474
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:40,270
anybody anybody about that before but I

1475
00:59:43,590 --> 00:59:41,710
actually wrote about that in my book

1476
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:43,600
that people are on the on this operating

1477
00:59:47,370 --> 00:59:45,370
table and they see themselves on the

1478
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,380
table and then they get the you know the

1479
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:48,880
light at the end of their tunnel and

1480
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:50,770
they see their deceased relatives

1481
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:52,390
standing next to aliens on the other

1482
00:59:59,490 --> 00:59:57,520
side so yeah because I tell you what

1483
01:00:01,920 --> 00:59:59,500
here's something interesting we can talk

1484
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:01,930
about I you know I mean obviously I do

1485
01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:02,650
not

1486
01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:05,260
leave that people are being abducted on

1487
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:06,760
spaceships they do not pass through the

1488
01:00:11,070 --> 01:00:08,110
walls they do not go up on the

1489
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:11,080
spaceships they are not literally being

1490
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:16,330
you know examined with you know medical

1491
01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:18,010
objects they're not seeing hybrid

1492
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:19,300
breeding rooms they're not being taken

1493
01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:21,730
on a galactic - all in two hours and

1494
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:23,080
then returned to their room with their

1495
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,750
room but how do you account for all the

1496
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,720
very rich details that physically seem

1497
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:30,640
real and sometimes do people do have

1498
01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:32,350
physical markings I think they're put

1499
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:35,830
there to to add to the illusion and when

1500
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:37,720
I first came with the first edition of

1501
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:40,510
the book I did I had some idea and I

1502
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:41,710
thought well I don't want to go out on a

1503
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:44,710
limb but what I didn't expect from the

1504
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:46,180
book is that I ended up having hundreds

1505
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:49,030
of people contact me and in a couple of

1506
01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:51,160
areas I could use it as a kind of a

1507
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:53,350
testbed of research to test out a

1508
01:00:58,650 --> 01:00:56,170
hypothesis and I don't know what you

1509
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:58,660
think about this but my view on this

1510
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:01,260
I've called it the hypnosis theory

1511
01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:05,260
because the number one clue is the

1512
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:08,800
missing time that people have you know

1513
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,180
they're driving the car they see a like

1514
01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:12,400
they're in the room time disappears now

1515
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:14,080
I went and worked with some clinical

1516
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:18,070
hypnotherapist saan this and when we go

1517
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:19,690
to bed at night and we wake up in the

1518
01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:21,430
morning right let's say we sleep for

1519
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:22,180
seven hours

1520
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:25,480
but physically we're aware that we're

1521
01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:28,630
asleep and some time has passed but the

1522
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:30,460
these people who were abductees or

1523
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:32,980
experiencers they have the experience

1524
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:34,990
they see an entity in their room or

1525
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:36,490
they're driving the car and then it's

1526
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:39,850
like to them it seems like one second

1527
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:42,940
later they wake up and then they look at

1528
01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:44,650
the dashboard and three hours have gone

1529
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:47,860
well how can that be well that can be

1530
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:50,800
induced in two ways and I often like to

1531
01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:52,180
give analogies that people can

1532
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:53,380
understand and if you've ever had

1533
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:55,120
surgery I've had surgery you've been in

1534
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:57,310
the operating theatre they stick the

1535
01:02:00,330 --> 01:01:58,720
anaesthetic in and they say you know

1536
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:00,340
count to ten and you get to about four

1537
01:02:05,370 --> 01:02:02,980
that's where we can remember and then it

1538
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:05,380
seems like it was just one second later

1539
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:07,210
you wake up in the recovery room but and

1540
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,220
you say have they started and they go no

1541
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:10,960
that was three hours ago we finished you

1542
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:11,980
know if you mind for you to wake up

1543
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:14,410
there's been a contraction of time and

1544
01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:16,010
the other way time can be

1545
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:18,320
acted in the like manner is through

1546
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:21,770
hypnosis and hypnosis is really about

1547
01:02:25,540 --> 01:02:23,900
just being put into a state it's not the

1548
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:25,550
stage stuff you know where people wave

1549
01:02:29,590 --> 01:02:26,840
wave their watch that's that's a

1550
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:29,600
nonsense it's all for show but hypnosis

1551
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:32,090
is really getting a person to a height

1552
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:34,250
or a stage of heightened suggestibility

1553
01:02:39,490 --> 01:02:37,490
and the times when we are most

1554
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:39,500
suggestible in believe it or not and

1555
01:02:44,530 --> 01:02:41,300
this is going to resonate with you is

1556
01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:44,540
not deep REM sleep it's what we call our

1557
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,790
hypnagogic or hypnopompic states and

1558
01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:49,520
this is limit transitioning into or out

1559
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:52,550
of sleep and this is the number one time

1560
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:54,770
when people have this experience or they

1561
01:03:01,780 --> 01:02:58,730
see a light that induces this hypnotic

1562
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,790
state and I got fascinated with a guy

1563
01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:03,920
called Darren brown he's an English

1564
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:05,540
hypnotist you've probably heard of him

1565
01:03:11,470 --> 01:03:08,540
watch these shows he can even replace

1566
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,480
childhood memories just talking to

1567
01:03:15,490 --> 01:03:14,240
somebody across a table by getting

1568
01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:15,500
getting their focus

1569
01:03:20,620 --> 01:03:18,440
he'll implant memories overlay it during

1570
01:03:22,510 --> 01:03:20,630
the conversation there's one great

1571
01:03:24,430 --> 01:03:22,520
episode and I featured this in a lecture

1572
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,440
which is on a DVD called Close

1573
01:03:28,990 --> 01:03:26,240
Encounters of the Fourth Kind that I did

1574
01:03:30,580 --> 01:03:29,000
where he shows a guy goes into the

1575
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:30,590
bedroom and the family have put him up

1576
01:03:36,430 --> 01:03:33,170
to it he wakes the guy up so he can get

1577
01:03:39,610 --> 01:03:36,440
him out of that REM sleep the infrared

1578
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:39,620
cameras are there he suggests these

1579
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:41,210
things to the guy doesn't tell us what

1580
01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:42,650
it is because the guy would always be

1581
01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:45,260
suggestible and then later they tell him

1582
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:48,260
he's won an all-expenses-paid holiday so

1583
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,970
he's got to get a passport so he goes to

1584
01:03:55,090 --> 01:03:51,920
a local shopping mall walks in the photo

1585
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:55,100
booth the lights flash puts him to sleep

1586
01:03:59,770 --> 01:03:57,680
with the words the key trigger words

1587
01:04:02,110 --> 01:03:59,780
were related and you see them wheeling

1588
01:04:03,850 --> 01:04:02,120
him out on a stretcher and they put him

1589
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:03,860
in a plane and they take him from London

1590
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,490
England to Marrakech Morocco put him in

1591
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:08,720
the photo booth

1592
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:11,690
flash the lights wake him up and he can

1593
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,740
hear and you can actually hear the

1594
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:15,200
snake-charming music right outside in

1595
01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:16,610
the hustle and bustle of the market

1596
01:04:23,050 --> 01:04:20,180
he opens the curtain to him 1 second ago

1597
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:23,060
he was in his bedroom in London now

1598
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:24,710
here's the thing to him there's a

1599
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:26,930
contraction of time but in the actual

1600
01:04:32,509 --> 01:04:29,910
time that's passed you have the

1601
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:32,519
to put in all sorts of stories and you

1602
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:34,200
could tell people for example you're on

1603
01:04:38,509 --> 01:04:35,940
a spaceship you can literally say you

1604
01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:38,519
felt the cold steel of the bench and

1605
01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:41,430
they will feel it you can actually even

1606
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:43,950
experience the physical sensations and

1607
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:46,650
the last bit on this everybody's had a

1608
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:47,849
falling dream you know where you're

1609
01:04:52,579 --> 01:04:49,049
lying in bed and you feel like you're

1610
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:52,589
falling yeah that's a that's a similar

1611
01:04:59,479 --> 01:04:56,249
example where you physically felt like

1612
01:05:01,579 --> 01:04:59,489
you were falling so the mind the

1613
01:05:04,729 --> 01:05:01,589
imagination can create the physical

1614
01:05:07,759 --> 01:05:04,739
sensation because of a false memory that

1615
01:05:09,859 --> 01:05:07,769
you are going through in your mind so

1616
01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:09,869
let me just be clear I think the events

1617
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:12,539
are real all I'm saying is as some of

1618
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:15,480
the fine details you know you can't be

1619
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:17,609
taken through the ceiling of your house

1620
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:20,339
onto a spaceship and get taken off to

1621
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:22,049
the Pleiades and return back in three

1622
01:05:26,739 --> 01:05:24,210
hours but they're the false memories

1623
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:26,749
that people have and it adds to the

1624
01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:29,910
alien deception it adds to the illusion

1625
01:05:34,339 --> 01:05:32,190
that people have been you know abducted

1626
01:05:36,739 --> 01:05:34,349
by aliens that's the point one of people

1627
01:05:39,739 --> 01:05:36,749
who have experienced like double

1628
01:05:42,019 --> 01:05:39,749
abduction where I've met parents who

1629
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:42,029
have watched their kids being floated

1630
01:05:49,009 --> 01:05:45,960
out of a window and they paralyzed so

1631
01:05:50,509 --> 01:05:49,019
what of that explain that well it can be

1632
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:50,519
done to groups in fact go and watch

1633
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:52,470
Darren Brown again he can even be on a

1634
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:55,140
note a noisy street corner in a city and

1635
01:06:00,440 --> 01:05:57,630
as long as he gets the group's attention

1636
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,450
through through suggestion I'm in a

1637
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:02,400
classic example of that heidi is the

1638
01:06:08,029 --> 01:06:06,420
allagash for yeah for guys who didn't

1639
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,039
remember they remembered being out on a

1640
01:06:12,019 --> 01:06:10,559
boat in a lake in Maine they saw all the

1641
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:12,029
light coming down that was the last

1642
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:13,650
thing they remember they woke up they

1643
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:16,200
were all stood on the shore and the big

1644
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:18,210
fire that they built had burnt down to

1645
01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:20,249
embers and they promised that they would

1646
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:23,339
tell nobody and they all went away but

1647
01:06:27,259 --> 01:06:24,450
they continued to have night terrors

1648
01:06:29,269 --> 01:06:27,269
they went to see doctors and therapists

1649
01:06:31,099 --> 01:06:29,279
and then they decided to all get back

1650
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:31,109
together and they found they had exactly

1651
01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:34,230
the same memories so it can actually it

1652
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:36,920
can actually be done in a group scenario

1653
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:39,450
so that you can all incorporate the same

1654
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:42,420
memories so well that's interesting one

1655
01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:42,960
thing I have

1656
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:45,540
say because I have experienced military

1657
01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:47,880
abductions but not alien abductions but

1658
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:51,750
it went very similar to one and I always

1659
01:06:57,620 --> 01:06:54,960
said they have their hands on whatever

1660
01:07:00,440 --> 01:06:57,630
it is that the alien abductions are able

1661
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,450
to do because it seems like you're in

1662
01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:02,640
one place one second next year there and

1663
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:05,869
the their ability to paralyze you and

1664
01:07:11,870 --> 01:07:08,930
render you unable to defend yourself so

1665
01:07:13,550 --> 01:07:11,880
definitely okay what you're saying I

1666
01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:13,560
good yeah here's a huge misconception

1667
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:15,630
because whenever I mentioned this to

1668
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:17,310
people their first reaction is well I

1669
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:20,520
could never be hypnotized in the in in

1670
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,220
in in some bonus footage that we have

1671
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:25,440
which we may well later put in into a

1672
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:28,020
DVD version whenever that comes out I

1673
01:07:36,430 --> 01:07:31,020
have a guy from his name is Jim Allen

1674
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:36,440
he's worked on over 1500 cases of

1675
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:38,930
abductions these are people who were

1676
01:07:46,099 --> 01:07:42,510
taken into cults and he is a Christian

1677
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,109
but he's a forensic pathologist or for a

1678
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:48,630
forensic hypnotherapist I should say Wow

1679
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,089
he uses hypnotherapy to try to help

1680
01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:54,240
people and he's well aware that some of

1681
01:07:59,900 --> 01:07:56,940
the memories we have our mixture of

1682
01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:59,910
reality and and you know when I say

1683
01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:01,560
fiction it sounds like you know people

1684
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:03,540
are making up but not but non reality

1685
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:06,930
and the great father of hypnotherapy al

1686
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:09,390
krasna has actually said that and a

1687
01:08:14,420 --> 01:08:12,060
classic example of this Heidi is there's

1688
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:14,430
an exertion exist in the United States

1689
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:15,710
called the false memory syndrome

1690
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:18,089
foundation because you remember years

1691
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:21,870
ago there was an epidemic of men going

1692
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:24,930
to jail and uncles and you know distant

1693
01:08:30,019 --> 01:08:27,810
relatives because women were sometimes

1694
01:08:32,690 --> 01:08:30,029
having crises in their lives maybe it

1695
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:32,700
was a midlife and they go off to these

1696
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:34,290
therapists and they'd been taught

1697
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:37,799
typically to hypnotize people and look

1698
01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:40,859
for elements of childhood abuse that the

1699
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,390
patient they believed had kind of

1700
01:08:47,599 --> 01:08:45,600
repressed or locked up now now testimony

1701
01:08:50,690 --> 01:08:47,609
under hypnosis in those days was

1702
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:50,700
admissible in court it's not now because

1703
01:08:55,099 --> 01:08:52,380
the only way you can ever verify a

1704
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:55,109
memory is by external corroboration if

1705
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:56,430
you don't have it

1706
01:09:00,350 --> 01:08:58,050
and all the leading hypnotherapist now

1707
01:09:03,710 --> 01:09:00,360
know that even stuff that you bring out

1708
01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:03,720
under hypnosis is not necessarily true

1709
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,640
you have to be very very skilled Jim

1710
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:08,480
Allen said not to inadvertently plant

1711
01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:11,130
suggestions when you are looking for

1712
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:13,020
answers for example if you went and said

1713
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:15,270
did anybody touch you appropriately

1714
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:16,650
inappropriately when you were a child

1715
01:09:21,260 --> 01:09:19,470
you might think of an example where you

1716
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:21,270
were touched and all of a sudden you've

1717
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:23,190
incorporated that suggestion and it

1718
01:09:27,350 --> 01:09:25,380
becomes something that it's not this is

1719
01:09:29,060 --> 01:09:27,360
a real this is a real medical phenomenon

1720
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,070
there's nothing spiritual in it or

1721
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:31,440
anything like that right and and if my

1722
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:33,480
point is if human beings can very easily

1723
01:09:38,540 --> 01:09:36,120
do that to one another how much more

1724
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:38,550
could very very clever demonic entities

1725
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:40,650
who have been following mankind around

1726
01:09:44,690 --> 01:09:43,290
for you know millennia you know wise men

1727
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:44,700
once wrote there's nothing new Under the

1728
01:09:50,810 --> 01:09:48,120
Sun as well and we just sow the seeds of

1729
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:50,820
you know extraterrestrial visitation and

1730
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:53,580
contact how come it wasn't like that

1731
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,160
200 years ago how come it was fairies

1732
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:58,620
but if you look at the morphology you

1733
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:00,420
know they're going to another place

1734
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:02,520
going into another other realms sexual

1735
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,770
encounters the physical sense of it all

1736
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:06,960
happening was exactly the same so once

1737
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:08,730
you implant this type of suggestion a

1738
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,070
memory the problem is is people cannot

1739
01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:14,280
distinguish it from reality and I'm not

1740
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:17,100
saying the whole episode is accounted

1741
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:23,010
for by that because I know you know some

1742
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:24,690
people know what they've experienced and

1743
01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:26,820
it's always I always have a hard time

1744
01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:28,920
you know saying to someone you're wrong

1745
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,870
I'm right you know it's like because

1746
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:32,880
everybody is so different I want to get

1747
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:34,710
to a quick question from the chatroom

1748
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,780
Russ is asking the revelation of Jesus

1749
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:39,360
Christ mentions in chapter 21 verse 16

1750
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:41,610
the dimensions of the New Jerusalem as

1751
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:43,530
being twelve thousand furlongs or

1752
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:48,120
thirteen 1380 miles cube-like craft does

1753
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:50,190
guest have an opinion as to who was

1754
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:53,880
piloting this planet-sized craft well I

1755
01:10:57,230 --> 01:10:55,320
don't think it actually says it's a

1756
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:57,240
craft it's giving the dimensions of a

1757
01:11:01,790 --> 01:11:00,060
physical place and in the same way that

1758
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:01,800
I said that I think you know people have

1759
01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:04,080
a wrong view of angels I mean that they

1760
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,720
are called ministering spirits but we

1761
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:09,000
also are spirit that the spirit is a

1762
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:09,810
component

1763
01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:11,490
of who we are as not the sum of who we

1764
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:14,220
are and so I believe that the new

1765
01:11:21,890 --> 01:11:17,730
heavens and earth whilst they might be a

1766
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:21,900
spiritual place there they're going to

1767
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:23,970
be a physical place you know when as I

1768
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:26,820
said when Jesus reappeared to his

1769
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:28,770
disciples he just appeared in the room

1770
01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:30,120
but he said to promise you no put your

1771
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:31,740
finger here your hand here he sits down

1772
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:35,120
on the shores of Galilee and he ate food

1773
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:38,790
the eternity we we experience is going

1774
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:41,870
to be interesting when I think of God

1775
01:11:47,420 --> 01:11:44,640
being an eternity I believe he is a

1776
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:47,430
timeless being because you and I are

1777
01:11:50,980 --> 01:11:48,900
bound by time you know when the Earth

1778
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:50,990
rotates we have to have this physical

1779
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,450
you know planet made of atoms with a

1780
01:11:59,300 --> 01:11:56,640
light source to determine what time is

1781
01:12:01,370 --> 01:11:59,310
and our eternity is kind of going to be

1782
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:01,380
different I think it's going to exist in

1783
01:12:06,380 --> 01:12:04,290
time but in a sense it's going to be

1784
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,390
never-ending and you know in that

1785
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:08,460
passage is it in Thessalonians when it

1786
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:10,410
says we're going to be transformed in

1787
01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:12,870
the twinkling of an eye from perishable

1788
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:16,680
to imperil it's describing some form

1789
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,580
it's a shift yeah I some stuff when

1790
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:23,760
angels appear they appear physically yet

1791
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:25,980
they're able to come from another realm

1792
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:27,570
whether we call it the spiritual realm

1793
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:28,920
or in other room so in other words I'm

1794
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,690
just saying it's another existence

1795
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:33,360
that's a little bit unlike ours ours is

1796
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:35,400
terminal where we're going through the

1797
01:12:39,650 --> 01:12:37,530
throes of death this creation is going

1798
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:39,660
to wind down until there's going to be a

1799
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:42,030
new heavens and a new earth so we found

1800
01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:44,460
but missed here I've learned that it's

1801
01:12:48,140 --> 01:12:46,350
there's gonna be a shift and some of us

1802
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:48,150
will notice it and some of us won't and

1803
01:12:53,150 --> 01:12:50,180
we'll just kind of move into the next

1804
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:53,160
vibration of things of reality another

1805
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:55,410
question for you what do you think of

1806
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:56,940
the secret space program that's been

1807
01:13:01,940 --> 01:12:59,190
talked about a lot if they're not

1808
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:01,950
there's no out there why are we having

1809
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:05,520
this secret space program well I I don't

1810
01:13:09,230 --> 01:13:07,290
think everybody in the government would

1811
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:09,240
necessarily agree that they're dealing

1812
01:13:12,380 --> 01:13:10,980
with the spiritual realm as I said when

1813
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:12,390
you get someone like Harry Reid he makes

1814
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,670
the comment I mean he's making a comment

1815
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:16,800
based on ignorance I think I don't think

1816
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:19,860
he's part of the inner sanctum you know

1817
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:21,630
that that Nick Redford may have referred

1818
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:23,610
to when some parts of the government

1819
01:13:27,379 --> 01:13:24,830
they're dealing with something demonic

1820
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:27,389
but you know the government's have tried

1821
01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:31,290
they've tried astral projection all of

1822
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:33,060
that type of stuff

1823
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:35,610
so they're certain I mean you know years

1824
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:37,560
ago they even had uri geller in i mean i

1825
01:13:42,350 --> 01:13:40,440
think he was a hoax a fraud but they've

1826
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,360
certainly messed with psychics then

1827
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,880
there's something there to do it but I

1828
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:46,080
don't think that they could justify

1829
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:48,300
spending lots and lots of money but the

1830
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:50,730
look they're looking out in space for

1831
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,310
extraterrestrial life is really just

1832
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:55,380
consistent with the view of naturalism

1833
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,750
because you know if there was a big bang

1834
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:00,719
14 billion years ago and they believe

1835
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:02,550
that our Milky Way is in a relatively

1836
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:04,500
young part of the universe you know

1837
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:07,530
there could be parts of the the universe

1838
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:09,330
or the other galaxies that there might

1839
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:11,369
be a million or billions years older

1840
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:14,340
than us and therefore those aliens could

1841
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:17,400
have you know evolved or the developed a

1842
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,260
technology million or billion years in

1843
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:21,239
advance of us and I wrote in my book you

1844
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:23,489
know I was trying to communicate them

1845
01:14:28,879 --> 01:14:25,850
even with what we think is sophisticated

1846
01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:28,889
you know it might be akin to somebody in

1847
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:32,040
a jungle banging on his on his a leopard

1848
01:14:36,109 --> 01:14:34,770
skin drum trying to pick up some you

1849
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:36,119
know eavesdrop on someone with his

1850
01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:39,659
smartphone so I think they're just being

1851
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:42,300
consistent with what they believe in a

1852
01:14:48,050 --> 01:14:46,350
big picture they believe that there's

1853
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:48,060
biology on other planets that's why

1854
01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:49,560
we've got Rovers on Mars they're looking

1855
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:50,940
for life they're looking for organisms

1856
01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:53,310
there because they want to know how life

1857
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:55,230
evolved out there you know I'm not a

1858
01:14:58,669 --> 01:14:57,570
subscriber to evolution so I again I

1859
01:15:05,540 --> 01:14:58,679
think they're looking in the wrong place

1860
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:05,550
as well so what do you mean how can

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people get a hold of your book and go

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see this movies just for people joining

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01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:12,000
us now sure well the book is on Amazon

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01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:14,369
now just type in alien intrusion it's in

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01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:16,830
hardcover and Kindle or go to

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01:15:23,209 --> 01:15:19,230
creation.com our web store and the movie

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01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:23,219
is fathom events calm or alien intrusion

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01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:26,369
calm you just type in your zip code the

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01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:28,530
search is a little funky don't hit enter

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as you type in your zip code a little

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01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,590
box populates underneath you've got to

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:33,360
click on it and it'll show you a theater

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01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:35,010
near you and you can book tickets so

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January 11th one night only

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hey please make it two three four five

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and six now in all this that I have to

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01:15:47,810 --> 01:15:45,600
get this in and all of this that you've

1878
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:47,820
been researching and looking into what

1879
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:50,370
have you personally experienced that has

1880
01:15:58,990 --> 01:15:52,770
moved you that's been out of the

1881
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:03,050
get that in there well I I had no idea

1882
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that it was an alien but or anything

1883
01:16:09,980 --> 01:16:07,050
like that but I had the sleep paralysis

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I had become I didn't become a Christian

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into my adult years so like any person

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01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:14,400
in later in life has had a conversion

1887
01:16:18,170 --> 01:16:15,690
experience like that you're pretty

1888
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,180
excited about your newfound faith and

1889
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:20,400
I'd only been saved about three days and

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I was lying in bed and a dark cloud

1891
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:26,820
appeared in the room I described it as a

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01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:29,730
black hole because I could look move my

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01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:31,260
eyes to the left and right I could see

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01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:32,730
other parts of the room I could see my

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01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:34,260
wife was sleep but when I looked into

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this dark cloud it was a void it was

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black there was nothing in the other

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side so I described as a black hole and

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I've heard this story hundreds of times

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now by the way and so I laid in bed I

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was paralyzed I couldn't move and I

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01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:51,780
watched it and it descended upon me and

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01:16:56,540 --> 01:16:54,030
as it descended I felt myself going back

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into the bed it came to cover my face

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and then as it got to my face it slid

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down my body it moved down towards my

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01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:05,070
chin I remember and this is how well I

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01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:06,840
can remember I remember taking a sigh of

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01:17:10,940 --> 01:17:08,700
relief thinking whatever it is it's left

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me alone and then it started to choke me

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it started to grab me and here I was I

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01:17:19,460 --> 01:17:16,410
knew nothing about spiritual warfare I

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01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:19,470
knew nothing about demonology I was a

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01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:21,780
baby Christian I was just excited that

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Jesus is the answer and I couldn't speak

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01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:27,660
I couldn't move and all I could do was

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01:17:33,650 --> 01:17:29,970
get out the words in a croaky grumbled

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Jesus help me and he stopped in an

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instant it stopped dead in its tracks so

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I've had first-hand experience as to

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what can stop these things do you know I

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01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:44,550
named the phenomenon called shadow

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:47,340
people and that is their MO and they

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01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:49,530
work right alongside alien beings - that

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01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:50,440
is what

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my book the secret war was based on his

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shadow people and the aliens what you

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01:18:00,480 --> 01:17:57,400
describe them I'm typing in the chatroom

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going oh my goodness shadow people the

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shadow people encounter but the the same

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01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:07,030
same MO that you've heard of them I've

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01:18:10,350 --> 01:18:08,830
heard I've heard well you can go to

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01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:10,360
third world countries and they've all

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01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:11,740
got different names for them of course

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yeah I've been in India and people have

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:16,540
told me about the same experiences yes

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01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:18,850
etcetera it's it's all over the world

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01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:21,160
and what we know about the alleged alien

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01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,380
phenomenon as as we've discussed Nick

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01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:25,600
and John keel and valet and all those

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01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:28,240
people have seriously researched it it

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01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:30,580
takes different forms you know if you go

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01:18:33,570 --> 01:18:32,230
to our third world country laptop and

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01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:33,580
you Guinea where I've been they don't

1945
01:18:38,190 --> 01:18:35,620
have any ideas about extraterrestrials

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01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:38,200
flying in a technologically advanced

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01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:39,790
spaceships but they have their

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:42,880
encounters I've seen something similar

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01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:44,290
what you're talking about the shadow

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people and when it retracted it formed a

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01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:49,660
grey aliens face when it left just

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craziest things huh you know we've come

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to the bottom of the show I have to

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really thank you for coming on Gary

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Bates this has been a phenomenal I could

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talk to you forever

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oh good fun thank you yes hold the line

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and I'm gonna close up the show and my

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:04,390
goodness everybody this went too fast I

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01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:06,010
got to have him back on and I will I'm

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:08,620
gonna have him on UFO headline news so

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01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:11,530
watch for that so he remember you guys

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had kept me here every Friday 8:00 p.m.

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central 9 p.m. Eastern you've been

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listening to me Heidi Hollis the